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Leon Trotsky was said to be particularly fond of a restaurant called Triangle Dairy in the Bronx, whose waiters were Russian emigrés, but refused to tip, leading to verbal abuse, intentionally poor service, and an incident that caused him to be burned by hot soup.

Apologies for placing it here, but I wanted to get a quick response since you're currently online. I have issues reading this sentence. When you say "but refused to tip", it almost sounds like you are referring to the waiters instead of Trotsky. One solution is to split it into two, perhaps something like "According to one story, Leon Trotsky was said to have been particularly fond of a Jewish dairy restaurant called Triangle Dairy in the Bronx, whose waiters were Russian emigrés. Trotsky refused to tip after eating, leading to verbal abuse, intentionally poor service, and one incident where waiters intentionally burned him with hot soup." Assuming of course that is accurate...any objections? Viriditas (talk) 21:12, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for looking at it. I agree. No objections! Andre🚐 21:17, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, changed. Viriditas (talk) 21:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Awesome. And you are always welcome at this talk page. :-) Andre🚐 21:22, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to bug you again. There is one other thing. Regarding the hook for this subject: aside from the two secondary sources, there's also the original Hoffer 1965 Esquire article which is still online and accessible with a free login.[1] It's fun to read, so if you haven't already read it, take a look. Anyway, it doesn't say he was "burned", it does say he had "hot soup spilled on him", which is also what the other two say. I realize this is probably just a quibble, but maybe the content and hook should be fixed on this point? Giffin 1968 characterizes it as an "intentional 'accident' with hot soup", while Rubenstein 2011 says he had "hot soup spilled on him". I think both of these are true to the original Esquire article. Something to consider? Viriditas (talk) 21:44, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree, spilled is more accurate than burned. The hot soup was spilled on him, we don't actually know if he was burned per se. Also, great find with that original article. I am going to read it now. Andre🚐 21:45, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed! Thanks again! Let me know if you have any other ideas or changes. Andre🚐 21:54, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]